Greg Brenneman Cut Costs And Boosted Sales; 'Indulgent Food'
By STEVEN GRAY
Staff Reporter of THE
Sales at Burger King Corp. had
plummeted, hundreds of its
Then last summer, Burger King's
new private owners -- Texas Pacific Group, Bain Capital and Goldman Sachs
Partners -- replaced Chief Executive Brad Blum with Greg Brenneman,
a Harvard M.B.A. who had led turnarounds at Continental Airlines and PricewaterhouseCooper's consulting unit.
At Burger King, Mr. Brenneman, 43 years old, moved quickly to boost morale at
headquarters here and improve relationships with franchisees, who own about 90%
of the company's
With characteristic ambition,
Mr. Brenneman -- who says he reads three newspapers
while jogging on a treadmill in the company gym each morning -- has set out to
help his restaurants push average annual unit revenue to $1.3 million from last
year's $970,000. He is experimenting with smaller restaurants on the theory
that most fast-food units are inefficient, while setting the pace for vigorous
expansion abroad, particularly in
"I'd like to see Burger
King go from a great brand into a great business," Mr. Brenneman
said in a recent interview in his office overlooking runways at
Excerpts:
WSJ: Did you set out wanting
to be a turnaround specialist?
Mr. Brenneman: (He laughs.) I didn't walk out
of school and think, this is my highest and best use. My background [prepared me for] recognizing and understanding the
value of individuals...and working as a team. The company becomes a
family. I got addicted to that.
WSJ: What were the first things you
noticed?
Mr. Brenneman: The first surprise was how good
a start I had. Normally, when I walk into some of these situations, it's just a
flat-out disaster. There were some new products launched [including the Angus
Steak Burger, the Spicy Tendercrisp Chicken
Sandwich.] I looked at the culture in here, and it was very
siloed. People didn't talk to each other. I said, we can't be having a civil war. We started treating
franchisees with dignity and respect.
WSJ: Where did you get the idea to
build smaller restaurants?
Mr. Brenneman: I walked around the
restaurants, and found out Burger King had forced [franchisees] to build
restaurants so big you could play racquetball in the back. How many times have
you seen those dining rooms full? It's 85% empty. It's like building a church
for Easter Sunday....
We targeted the savings, some in
the kitchen, and some on the finishings in the
restaurant. We were spending money on things like tile that the customer didn't
value. We're doing things in these restaurants like putting flat-panel monitors
so you can put product-placement ads. We were putting in four 10-ton
air-conditioning units, so we now we put in two 20-ton units to save money.
We're just in the process of
putting these up and experimenting. I wouldn't say 100% of the new units will
be this. We want to say to our franchisees, this is the minimum you can do.
We've got a building and a concept that, if you build it, your costs will be
very, very competitive. If you want to do more, OK by us, it's your money. My
guess is a huge percentage of the new units will be lower-cost builds.
WSJ: Your turnaround formula includes
boosting a restaurant's average annual sales from $970,000 to about $1.3
million. How will you do this, and sustain it?
Mr. Brenneman: It's the million dollar
question. We knew Wendy's was at $1.3 million. McDonald's was at about $1.9
million. I said, what's a good interim goal? If you said $1.9 million, everyone
would look at you like you're on drugs. We said, we
can get at least as good as $1.3 million. That doesn't happen in a year. You
can only develop things so fast.... There were a ton of gaps that existed in
our offerings versus our competitors. The pantry was fairly bare. There was no
thick burger. No whole-muscle chicken sandwiches. No salads. No chicken strips.
No limited breakfast menu.
WSJ: You brought back several brand
icons, including the King and the 'Have it Your Way' slogan. Why?
Mr. Brenneman: The advertising was boring.
It's about going back to the core....[The company]
went through 30 ad slogans, and the second one ever picked was 'Have it your
way.' Then they abandoned it. But, you kind of say, The
only thing I could ever think of when I thought 'Burger King' was 'Have it your
way.' We had one of the most recognized slogans in business and weren't using
it. So there's been a lot of back to the core, back to the basics -- absolutely
terrific, indulgent food that customers love.
WSJ: Speaking of indulgent,
you call your best repeat customers "Super Fans" -- the
18-to-34-year-old males who come in three to four times a week. How are you
strengthening efforts to appeal to them?
Mr. Brenneman: If you think about what drives
our business, "Super Fans" are something like 25% of our customer
base, but 50% of spending. If we just get one more visit out of the Super Fan,
it's like a 10% increase in comparable sales. It's about understanding who the core consumers are and getting the kind of indulgent
products they want. You can't be everything to everybody. If you look at the
Enormous Omelet Sandwich, we didn't beat around the bush with the name. It's an
indulgent breakfast sandwich, and it's absolutely geared at the Super Fan.
WSJ: What about healthier products?
Mr. Brenneman: We're the only fast-food
restaurant to offer a veggie burger. We sell three a day per restaurant and we
sell over 300 Whoppers per day per restaurant....With the kids
meals, you can substitute apple sauce for fries. You can substitute milk for
Coke. [But] most people don't take that substitution.
You have to have those products,
to take away the 'veto vote,' so if mom wants a salad, there's something for
her. But you don't want too much of that on your menu because it's not what the
customer wants....I just really want to offer what the customers will buy, and
what they want to eat.
WSJ: Do you feel the need to change
the menu to appease fast-food critics?
Mr. Brenneman: No pressure at all. You should
be able to come to Burger King and get a healthy, low-calorie, low-fat meal.
You can. Beyond that, I don't think it's my job to tell Americans what they
should eat. We might as well go back to communism.
WSJ: Do you think fast-food makes
people fat?
Mr. Brenneman: Life is about everything in
moderation. But you can eat at Burger King at every single meal, every single
day and actually have a moderated diet, depending on what you eat. Or, you can
eat at Burger King or McDonald's or Wendy's or Subway and not have a moderated
diet. It's choice.
WSJ: When do you expect to have a
trans-fat-free product mix?
Mr. Brenneman: The trans-fat-free issue is an
interesting one, and one we're working on, both in Europe, which is a little
ahead of the US, and here. The real question is: How do you do that? Do you
come up with a trans-fat-free oil? Or do you have a
substitute product that's trans-fat-free? I think us and most of our
competitors have found it's hard to do something trans-fat-free that tastes
good. We're working on a trans-fat-free oil. I don't
think we'll get left in the dust on this one.
WSJ: What do you eat?
Mr. Brenneman: I'm a Double Whopper fanatic.
What I go in for on a regular basis is the salad. With chicken on it, it's
terrific. You can put reasonable dressing on it and have a terrific meal if you
need to watch your girlish figure.
WSJ: Haven't you lost weight since
you've been at Burger King?
Mr. Brenneman: I've lost about 25 to 30
pounds. If you eat Burger King three times a day, it's amazing, it's great dieting [laughs]....A few months back, after I
gained my Burger King 10 [pounds], sampling products...I just started cutting
back and eating the salads a lot.
WSJ: You've described Burger King's
culture as having had an "entitlement attitude." What do you mean?
Mr. Brenneman: We were part of Diageo. This was a subsidiary of a British business.
Because no one told people how they were doing, no one knew if they were making
money or losing it. People just began to think of it as something they were
entitled to -- this salary, these benefits. It was coming from a booze business
that made 80% margins. So we started telling people...we're making this much
money, we got bonuses tied to profitability. We're just ourselves now. The guy
who's saving us is the guy who's looking in the mirror.
WSJ: How have you boosted morale at
headquarters?
Mr. Brenneman: The key was culture, and fixing
how people perceive each other. I do restaurant visits every week. Every new
employee has to learn how to do the Whopper Board [menu]....If they don't, they have to come to me for their first paycheck.
There's a voicemail from me every Friday. A few company managers called me at
Christmas. They said, 'Greg, I can't believe you left me a voicemail.'
WSJ: Before Burger King, you ran a private-equity firm.
Why did you take this job?
Mr. Brenneman: You can go do deals all day
long and make a lot of money, but sitting in this job, I can influence about
340,000 people's lives for the better, hopefully. There's a magic that happens
that's like a drug. That adrenaline rush, to see the pride people can have in
their company, is why I came back. I missed that.
WSJ: How does your relationship with
Burger King's owners help, since you answer to them rather than to public
shareholders?
Mr. Brenneman: W e have
a great relationship... because they're friends, they're business partners,
they're incredibly smart businessmen and women, and they're a phone call away.
Sales are up. Profits are way up. They go work on whatever else is troubling
them in their portfolio.
WSJ: You've got about 11,000
restaurants globally. How many do you think you can reach in the next five
years?
Mr. Brenneman: I don't have a number. The
thing in the past was, let's just grow. I'm more concerned about profitable
growth. As the cost of building the restaurant comes down, the return on
capital changes dramatically...that will drive how many restaurants will get
built.
There are many places where we
want to put more Burger Kings. Internationally, we are in 65 countries around
the world. Not one of those 65 countries [is] totally built out. We entered
WSJ: How soon might we see an IPO?
Mr. Brenneman: If we do an IPO -- and that'll
be up to the sponsors how they want to exit. I don't think they're in any
hurry, but everybody knows these guys don't hold onto things forever. My guess
is not in calendar year '05, maybe in calendar year '06. To do an IPO you need
company performance, and it's good right now. You also need the market to be
solid. I think it'd be a great thing for our system. Being able to read about yourself in the stock exchange everyday is something our
franchisees look forward to. But it's by no means critical to us.
Write to Steven Gray at steven.gray@wsj.com